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Jan142012
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Bishop Hill
Bishop Hill Mann on MSNBC
Jan 14, 2012 Climate: Mann Michael Mann was on the Chris Hayes show on MSNBC today (from 10 min).
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If I tell you that Mann was the best thing about the climate change segment, you will get a feel for just how toe-curling it was.
Reader Comments (30)
I can't help but recycle James Evans comment of a few days ago ................... "You don't need a wonderful alternative to s****. A simple absence of s**** would be a vast improvement".
At the start, it reminded me so much of the Mad Hatter's tea party (with Mann as the dormouse :-) but then they got into the really wacky stuff... death threats and right wing evangelicals!?!?!
He is so oily! I gave up watching after the 'death threats to family' assertion - anyone know if there is any substance to that?
@John
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/jan/13/us-climate-scientist-wife-email-hate
"US climate scientist's wife suffers email 'frenzy of hate'
Inbox of MIT scientist Kerry Emanuel's wife was flooded with menacing emails after he appeared in a video featuring Republicans who believe in man-made climate change"
You think that's ok?
There's little substance to his science, so we expect nothing behind the death threat assertion. Are the police involved? One would hope so!
What an appalling host, surrounding himself with only chicken lickens..
mike mann and David Roberts are sitting silently while they are presented a "tricked" Hockey Stick (with wrong citation on two counts: it's MBH99 not MBH98 and it's Nature not Nature Mag.). Priceless!
I took a screenshot:
http://i43.tinypic.com/30wt5rs.png
It seems to me that the reconstruction was cut around 1900 (presumably 1902 where the calibration period starts) and followed then by the instrumental record (with no color indication or whatsoever). The smoothed graph seems to be the original (with Mike's Nature trick, of course). Since this is a new trick (sort like Phil's trick (without smoothing) with elements from Briffa's bodge (the reconstruction cut to 1902), I guess we need to coin a new term for innovative trick. Suggestions?
The real irony to this piece is to put it in context with the previous story on Guantanamo. The first discussion was on how fear of terrorism led to loss of due process and permanent incarceration without trial. Then the host was so taken aback by reading Michael Mann's book he was ready to throw away all the existing political structures so the world could more effectively control CO2 emissions. Isn't it remarkable how effective fear is as a tool to make people accept control by others that the host moderator doesn't even recognize the similarities?
it is called "framing"
Dr MMann frames an alleged death threat to the whole community that is sceptical to his voodoo science.
Not a very scientific thing to do that
For the rest I think that grist.org character is a nasty piece of work.
grist.org is one of the many organisations that are "not right" and "from that whole bright and fresh other side of the population"..the left , that is. lol.
As for the funding of grist.org: more money goes into hundreds of these leftwing thinktanks than the Koch Brothers can dream of.
When the Koch brothers fund 10 people all the champagne socialists are standing on their cocuh arms in the air but they conveniently forget the thousands of slightly leftwing workers they have on payroll.
Boy, would I pay to see Aussie journo Andrew Bolt grill Mann - yep, I'd pay for that...
@Sean
I recall sitting beside a very nice lady on a flight from LA to SF a few years ago, when conversation turned to discussing the aftermath of 9/11 and the West's then ongoing involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.
In light of the numerous security checks and general "fear" around at the time she made a very pertinent comment: "It feels like the terrorists won".
She had a point.
HL Mencken:
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
Even I could have hit the softballs they lobbed up for him. At least I noticed he's gained weight.
I gave up after the "I drive a Prius" comment. There's only so much smugness a man can take.
It is typical of MSNBC -- what do you expect?
Given Mann's evident “dirty laundry” (his words, his quotes) while applying for federal funding - he has to try to make this a political discussion - it is his only defense.
Mann is the same as the lot of them. Hansen, Mann, Flannery, Jones et el.
Every MSM interview they make about climate change is peppered with;
"It's in my book".
These charlatans use B.S. science to ingratiate themselves.
Commie Trash. MM excepted.
"Family members of scientists are now being targeted, with death threats"
Seems like a typical Mannian exaggeration to me.
Good Lord! (pardon, Bishop) - I thought the BBC and Harrabin were supposed to be bad. One look at the video and Mr. Hayes appears a singularly unattractive specimen, and a glance at Wikipaedia says all you need to know about MSNBC. If you watch MM with the sound turned off, your choice of second-hanbd car dealers becomes more limited.
Jean S, how about the "Hide the Trick, trick"?
The Canberra Times printed
this:
Spurred and impassioned by the detailed and substantive allegations above, 'frank-decoding swifthack' started (on this thread):
and then,
and
and so forth, for more than two dozen comments.
This is Mann in a recent Le Monde article:
The previous one is stuck in moderation, maybe this one will make it through...
The Canberra Times printed this
(http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/climate-of-fear-scientists-face-death-threats/2185089.aspx?storypage=1):
Spurred and impassioned by the detailed and substantive allegations above, 'frank-decoding swifthack' started on this thread (http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2011/06/australian_climate_scientists.php):
and then,
and
and so forth, for more than two dozen comments.
This is Mann in a recent Le Monde article:
Why greens must be miserabilists and will never go away:-
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/11100/
It seems that in the US the climate debate is becoming a proxy for straight left wing-right wing polarisation. At least MSNBC's declining ratings tell their own story. But with the institutionalised BBC we seem to have no respite from sanctimonious self-righteous climate policy miserabilism.
The "frenzy of hate" was 4 or 5 emails a day for 3 or 4 days and they haven't posted any of them anywhere that I can see. The last time such an accusation was made in Australia it turned our there were no direct threats, just wishes of extreme ill will and hopes that the lying **** **** would be brought to justice.
Direct death threats are usually turned over to the police.
So called frenzy claim from the Guardian:
"Emanuel began receiving emails "almost immediately" after the video was posted on January 5, and the volume peaked at four or five emails a day. The threats have now petered off."
4 - 5 for a few days or so ....
Curiously enough I haven't been able to find any condemnation, of this threat from greenpeace, by the gaurdian
"Sort of a post-modernism of the modern right."
-- David Roberts, Grist Blog
Brilliant!
The Peter Sissons jiffy bag incident-
'The sense of entitlement with which green groups regard the BBC was brought home to me when what was billed as a major climate change rally was held in London on a miserable, wintry, wet day.
I was on duty on News 24 and it had been arranged for me to interview the leader of the Green Party, Caroline Lucas. She clearly expected, as do most environmental activists, what I call a ‘free hit’ — to be allowed to say her piece without challenge.
I began, good naturedly, by observing that the climate didn’t seem to be playing ball at the moment, and that we were having a particularly cold winter while carbon emissions were powering ahead.
Miss Lucas reacted as if I’d physically molested her. She was outraged. It was no job of the BBC — the BBC! — to ask questions like that. Didn’t I realise that there could be no argument over the science? I persisted with a few simple observations of fact, such as there appeared to have been no warming for ten years, in contradiction of all the alarmist computer models.
A listener from one of the sceptical climate-change websites noted that ‘Lucas was virtually apoplectic and demanding to know how the BBC could be making such comments. Sissons came back that his role as a journalist was always to review all sides. Lucas finished with a veiled warning, to which Sissons replied with an “Ooh!”’
A week after this interview, I went into work and picked up my mail from my pigeon hole. Among the envelopes was a small Jiffy Bag, which I opened. It contained a substantial amount of faeces wrapped in several sheets of toilet paper.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1350206/BBC-propaganda-machine-climate-change-says-Peter-Sissons.html
10:10 Campaign: "We'll blow you stinkin' deniers up" (paraphrase)
Guardian: And they are "our friends".
10:10: "We 'killed' five people to make No Pressure "
Guardian: "But it's pretty edgy" Edgy????
Blowing people up is only Edgy?????????
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2010/sep/30/10-10-no-pressure-film
Wasn't it a Team member who stated in the Climategate2 emails along the lines that "if this turns out to be multi-decadal natural variation, they will kill us all."?
Amongst themselves they can see the angry ramifications of their advocacy when the curtain comes down. They should be thankful that the tolerance on the other side of this argument does not mirror their own extreme actions. We would be happy if they just went away and stopped stuffing up our lives. They will be stretching that tolerence if they keep this scam going.
"He is so oily! I gave up watching after the 'death threats to family' assertion - anyone know if there is any substance to that?"
Long before Dr. Curie became objective, the Mann overheard someone say: "I could murder a curry" and assumed it applied to all his ilk.